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9/11 Again by Popular Request, Did a Plane Really Strike the Pentagon?

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Picture unrelated. OK, at a friend’s request I reviewed this YouTube video: Major General Blasts 9/11 Cover-Up. In the video, one retired US Major General Albert Stubblebine gives his opinion on what happened on 9/11. He had more than a thirty year career in the army, and was deeply involved in the counter-intelligence game. He retired from the army in 1984. A few years back he was interviewed, as shown on the video. Do I recommend the video? Well, not really. This post is going to be written assuming readers haven’t watched it and aren’t going to watch it, watch it now if one has an aversion to spoilers. I watched it, and it felt like I’d watched an episode of Ancient Aliens. I will try to deconstruct it impartially, but I clearly am prejudiced.

The first third of the video is the man establishing his credentials. The good general’s long and august career in military intelligence, all the amazing things he had done and participated in. Every word true I am sure, the man had been at the heart of the beast, the inner circles of the USA’s intelligence community in his time. Unfortunately, none of this has any bearing on his arguments or his credibility. Arguments have to stand or fall on their own merits, the person making them is not relevant. I knew I was in trouble at this point, to spend a third of an interview pumping up the interviewee’s credentials bodes ill for what follows. I was not disappointed, the august general then raised the old “a plane didn’t hit the Pentagon” stuff that has been circulating since a French opportunist wrote a book about same shortly after 9/11. Nothing that I hadn’t heard before.

Still, let’s look at this a bit further. While his military intelligence credentials were long and impressive, he apparently has zero expertise in aircraft crash scene analysis. So no matter how credible his opinion might be in some regards, his opinion about the damage to the Pentagon is at best lay speculation. And like the collapse of the WTC towers, analysis of aircraft crash scenes is not “high school science,” it’s something best left to the experts. And the experts have no problem with the airplane caused the damage to the Pentagon scenario. That doesn’t completely settle the issue of course, experts have been wrong, but it’s not a promising start.

And if we are going to look at the general’s past to give credibility to his testimony, another problem crops up. The general has been deeply involved with the paranormal, UFOs, and what-not all his life apparently. This in particular I thought interesting: “A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. Military project to create “a breed of ‘super soldier'” who would “have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls”. Stubblebine reportedly attempted to walk through walls himself, without success.” It certainly suggests to me that however effective Stubblebine was at his job, he certainly had an attraction for outlandish theories. Lastly, has there ever been any issue with Stubblebine’s loyalty to the government and army? Not that I’m aware of. Is it possible that he is simply playing his role to this day? The government loves 9/11 Truthers, nothing like keeping the Russians and Chinese guessing about what’s really going on in America. And much better than them investigating the real conspiracy, to use 9/11 as justification for countless endless wars and military spending that have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.

Lastly, I have some problems with the “a missile hit the Pentagon” theory. First of all, one has to discount the numerous witnesses that saw the damn airliner fly into the building. One has to believe that the conspirators not only planted hundreds of witnesses with false testimony, they also prevented any witnesses, and there would have been lots of them, testifying about seeing a missile, not an airplane, strike the Pentagon. Then there’s the problem of what possible reason would the conspirators have for using a missile? And what happened to the plane and its 64 occupants? 125 people were killed in the Pentagon as well, including a general. The plotters didn’t want to kill the people on the airplane, but didn’t care about the people in the Pentagon? And this crash site was swarming with rescuers within moments of the crash, many of whom testified about seeing parts of an airplane and human remains.

In other words, if a missile did hit the Pentagon, we are talking a conspiracy that makes a Mission Impossible episode seem realistic in comparison. Hundreds of fake witnesses, hundreds of real witnesses silenced, fake damaged light poles struck by the plane in its final approach installed instantly after the crash, fake phone calls from the doomed airliner, a whole airliner and 64 occupants disposed of somehow, fake airliner parts placed at the crash scene moments after the impact … for what? What possible reason could plotters have for a plot so vast and insanely complicated? I can’t think of one, and I haven’t seen a conspiracy site even take a stab at the problem. If you’re going to dispose of the plane and its occupants anyhow, what’s the point of substituting a missile for the plane?

So General Stubblebine, no disrespect intended, but I am not persuaded by your testimony. I am impressed though, his story was beautifully crafted to have tremendous appeal to people who were already suspicious of the US government and harbored doubts about 9/11. (I didn’t even go into that aspect of the video.) By accident or design, the good general’s testimony has earned an honored place in 9/11 Truther lore. Good for him.

(The above image is claimed as Fair Use under US copyright law, being yet another image making the rounds on Facebook. I have no idea who holds the copyright. Trust me, it’s funny of one gets the joke.  Show it to your kids if you need it explained. )

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Written by unitedcats

January 30, 2013 at 11:13 am

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  1. Doug, you’ve done a lot of research on conspiracies in the past. Are there any examples where dozens (or hundreds) of people were effectively silenced? Would some argue that the Manhattan Project is an example?

    A.

    January 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    • There’s things like the D-Day invasion, the Manhattan Project, the build-up for the Battle of the Bulge and other such things where huge numbers of people were able to keep a secret. However, and it’s a big however, a project where pretty much everyone in the country can agree on the need for secrecy, and a criminal conspiracy about something that most people would find treasonous are two different things. The later is MUCH harder to keep secret because your conspirators have far less motivation to keep it secret, and even motivation to blow thew whistle. Operation Northwoods is the only purported criminal conspiracy that even approaches purported 9/11 conspiracies in scope, and it was never implemented because, well,,it was absurdly complicated. Then there was the Contra arms to Iran conspiracy, much smaller, still insanely complicated … and it’s cover was blown fairly quickly. I’m not aware of a criminal conspiracy in history that even approaches the scope of the purported 9/11 conspiracy, but would be glad to hear about one. —Doug

      unitedcats

      January 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm

  2. Here is a huge conspiracy.. and it affects everyone.

    “little pieces of paper called dollars are real money”

    99.9% of people believe it. Yet it is not a store of value.. which is essential to being defined as money.

    And the deception is out there in front of everyone.. a criminal private monopoly has this country by the balls, yet nobody sees it.

    LOL

    John Galt

    January 31, 2013 at 9:15 am

  3. Most of the conspiracy theories are rubbish. Most are put out so they can be rubbished. They create a smoke screen of burning rubbish.
    Occasionally the smoke clears; And what can you see; Building 7.

    geoff

    January 31, 2013 at 10:11 am

  4. John Galt knows what he’s talking about – the only store of wealth I’m aware of is the shiny stuff. All fiat currencies end up in the trash can – sooner or later.

    9/11? Well what can you say, it’s the only crime scene that got cleaned up quicker than jack flash – criminal.

    Where does one start, and where does one finish?

    One thing for sure, you’d have to be a mug to believe the official version.

    Leigh

    February 6, 2013 at 3:10 am

  5. I watched the News reports all day long on 911. I heard all of the early reports from the Pentagon that said that no one is sure what had happened. There was smoke but no sign of what has caused it. There was no wreckage on the lawn that was big enough to attract attention if it had been there all night. I have heard no reports of people who saw the actual crash. It is as plain as day that a huge plane, low enough to go through the wall of the Pentagon at ground level would have collided with a bit more than a couple of street lights. If you are prepared to accept the official story, that’s fine with me, but back it up with a bit more than everything else is a theory.

    enochered

    February 7, 2013 at 1:28 am

  6. A late response, I must admit. Any chance, Doug, that you might see this and respond with the answer to the joke? I’m not a gamer but I am intrigued.

    motorola

    August 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

    • LOL In MMORPGs players start out with a level one character with minimal armour and weapons, and slowly accumulate/buy/qualify for better weapons and armour as they progress upwards in level. They usually aren’t going into battle naked, but it can feel like it if you’re a low level character hanging out with higher level characters. —Doug

      unitedcats

      August 25, 2013 at 8:41 am


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