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Ancient Astronauts Revisited Again

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Here it is, proof that aliens visited the Middle East thousands of years ago, a Sumerian clay seal depicting the Sun surrounded by all eleven planets, with visiting planet Niburu by itself in the next open space to the right. Yes, proof positive that aliens have visited earth in the past. OK, yes, I’m being facetious. Even a little insulting and sarcastic, sue me. At the behest of reader’s comments, I reviewed online what is touted as the best evidence for alien visitation in human history. I was not impressed.

This Sumerian seal is claimed to represent ancient knowledge of our Solar System having more than the traditional five visible planets (Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn.) I suppose it could be interpreted that way, but eleven planets? Assuming it is even supposed to be the Sun and planets, how people explain the depiction of eleven planets quickly gets too torturous to bear repeating. Suffice it to say we don’t know much about ancient Sumerian astronomy, but I couldn’t find any serious references to the ancients having any knowledge of the Solar System beyond the visible planets. Nor did the idea of a Sun centred Solar System appear until thousands of years after the Sumerians were dust. I don’t know what was being depicted above, but Venus in a field of stars is as good a guess as any. My point is that there is nothing definitive about the above image, so one can make any interpretation one wants.

The Nazca Lines were mentioned. These are huge outlined figures in scraped soil in a  desert in Peru made some 15 or 16 centuries ago.   They were rediscovered, or at least weren’t brought to the world’s attention, until the advent of modern aircraft revealed their extent. Yes, they are very curious. Yes, we have no idea, only speculation, as to why these ancient peoples went to all this trouble. However, and it’s a big however, there’s nothing particularly remarkable about their construction. It didn’t take that many people to make them, nor were any particular arcane skills involved. Ancient peoples did all sorts of stuff that seems pointless to modern people. Because we don’t know why they made these figures isn’t evidence of anything. They wouldn’t have been to only people in history who thought the Gods were looking down on them from the skies.

A lot is made about how ancient people’s moved such huge rocks around. Again we have a number of problems with this as evidence of alien intervention. First of all, a lot of progress has been made understanding ancient engineering. So right off the bat we have a line of argument that has been steadily weakening the past few decades. And it wasn’t a strong argument to begin with, and was often exaggerated to make it stronger. No, the blocks making the pyramids weren’t so finely cut that a piece of paper can’t be slid between them. Gaps between them are often big enough to stick one’s fist into them. The pyramids were an amazing accomplishment, and there is no doubt lots we still don’t know about them, but the mysteries they still hold don’t require any alien intervention to explain.

Then there’s the ancient Sanskrit writing in India. I can’t even be bothered to look up the reference, because a decade ago I read a book on same. If the gentle reader doesn’t know what I’m talking about, they’re not missing anything. Long story short, in this huge body of ancient mythical literature, there are a few passages that could be interpreted as descriptions of flying machines or space flight. There’s also passages in the Bible that could be interpreted as same. And other references too I am sure. The problem here is the same ol same ol retrofitting problem. If one has a theory, and searches for evidence that supports the theory, one can find evidence that “fits” the theory. Um, so what? Unless the evidence of alien visitation is so clear that every other interpretation isn’t viable, it’s not really evidence. Yes, this is setting the bar rather high. That’s because when one theorizes that leprechauns invented human civilization, anyone with a brain is going to require powerful arguments and strong evidence.

As one more aside, a lot of people don’t seem to understand that at least some of the people promoting alien visitation claims and similar such are doing it for the money! Gasp, would people simple make stuff up to sell books and make buckets of money? Yes, yes they would Virginia. I have a hard time grasping how  someone can fervently believe the claims made by say Von Däniken, but not believe that he might be simply lying? Alien visitation is more likely than a human being lying to make a buck? No doubt some adherents of radical theories are serious, but a huge amount of nonsense gets injected into the debate by charlatans. And then repeated as fact by the credulous. Sigh.

On the plus side, pseudoscientific nonsense aside, there is really good news in the search for ancient aliens. Since it’s entirely possible that aliens not only exist and have visited the Solar System, there are sound scientific reasons for looking for evidence of same. Any empirical evidence of alien technology would be fascinating and informative for any number of scientific disciplines, and even the search for same has interesting scientific aspects, so mainstream science is indeed moving beyond looking for alien radio beacons in the stars. There are  a number of promising avenues of investigation in the search for ancient alien visitors to earth.

That’s my next post. Or some future post. I think the next post is on the frightful rise of elder immolation in the USA.

(The above image is so ubiquitous on the Internet that a copyright notice seems pointless, still, it’s claimed as Fair Use under US copyright law, yadda yadda yadda. I chose this image because it’s as far as I can tell the best proof the informal ancient astronauts theorists can come up with. I see.)

Written by unitedcats

November 8, 2011 at 10:20 pm

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  1. Well, I think Ancient Aliens have visited us in the past.

    Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning

    November 8, 2011 at 10:52 pm

  2. The Sumerian clay seal is also depicting, in the right upper corner, a computer screen. I can clearly see the “favorite”, “downvote” and “Sumerian Birds” icons there. On the left upper corner you can also see the mobile device of the guy with the same icons menu on it. This is proof that ancient aliens were trying to push for a standardization of OS for desktop and mobile devices.

    Rob

    November 9, 2011 at 2:56 am

  3. It’s absolutely possible that aliens have visited earth in the past, Hell, it’s possible that they are visiting Earth now. Either hypothesis is a valid scientific hypothesis in the sense that it’s entirely possible given what we know about the Universe and our place in it. I very much tried to make it clear I was poking fun at some of the very sloppy, sophomoric, and even exploitative methodology used by some in an attempt to provide “proof” for alien visitation. Von Daniken (among other’s) methodology is not scientific or logical, and does a great disservice to both science itself and lay people who ave an interest in the topic of aliens. In my follow up post I will cover some of the recent scientific thinking on how to look for evidence of ancient aliens in the Solar System, there’s some incredibly exciting developments on that front. If aliens have visited the Solar System in the past, there’s every possibility science will discover actual scientific proof in the next few decades. —Doug

    unitedcats

    November 9, 2011 at 6:42 am

  4. Well Doug, I don’t give credence to all such stories. On the other hand, the Bible offers little more than story telling and ‘proof’ with no real proof as well as all of the other myths out there. I can follow the trail of stories through the ancient beliefs down to the current day religions. However, it would probably make me more comfortable to believe that maybe there are citizens of the universe that are, indeed, more intelligent than we seem to be. It would appear, as the world stands today, that we are de-evolving back into ignorance and fear.

    Lee A Whittaker

    November 9, 2011 at 9:42 am

  5. Lol, what if proof of aliens is all over and were too stupid to know what it is? haha….Really we have no idea of what would be proof of aliens visits except what we think the signs should be, their technology or even biology could really throw us off the trail I think….

    Pyrodin

    November 9, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    • You hit the nail on the head there, current scientific thinking is that SETI has been too focused on looking for aliens who are just like us. Efforts are being made to get beyond this preconception. I will blog on this soon. — Doug

      unitedcats

      November 9, 2011 at 10:45 pm

  6. Oh come on, Doug…you know, since we can’t prove aliens don’t exist, then of course THEY DO EXIST!

    Elle smith

    January 1, 2012 at 3:19 pm


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