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Gay marriage, what’s the big deal? Gay people are just that, people. Duh.

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I have followed the gay marriage “controversy” for some time now, mostly with a sense of amusement tinged with disgust. Amusement that so many people can get so worked up over something that really is none of their goddamn business, and disgust that some people actually hate over such an issue. For example Manny Pacquiao just recently quoted  a passage from the Bible in an interview where it stipulates that gays should be murdered. Yeah, feel that Christian love.

As is so often the situation I have a number of observations, in no particular order. The first is the observation that this basically is an issue that at its core is about what consenting adults do in privacy. IE sex. I’m sorry, but anyone who even thinks about, let alone is concerned about, how complete strangers fuck … has issues. I mean really, really, how can anyone care about something like that? It’s like being concerned about how people shit or how they eat. If it really bugs someone, they need to get a life or get therapy. Moreover, we are talking about people making a commitment to live together as a loving team. People have a problem with this? What, exactly, is someone’s issue with a couple getting married based on what they see when they pull down the beloved’s pants?

So yeah, I think any pair of consenting adults should be allowed to get married, I can’t think of a single reason to base it on gender. However, many people do have objections to gay marriage. They fall into two categories: religious reasons and absurd reasons. The foremost among the absurd reasons is the idea that gay marriage will lead to such things as polygamy and people marrying their pets. This is is called a slippery slope argument, and in this case, since essentially no one is calling for polygamy or pet marriage, it’s absurd. Especially since the argument suggests that there is something “weird” about gay marriage. No, actually, there’s nothing absurd about gay marriage … it’s simply two people getting married.

There is often the argument through tradition. IE the idea that there is some sort of “traditional” marriage that must be preserved. Fail on two counts. For one thing the idea that some established cultural thing like marriage must be preserved because it is traditional could be used to justify slavery or torture or any number of vile practises. Secondly, the “tradition” of marriage has evolved constantly, as the image above shows. In living memory in the USA miscegenation was illegal and marital rape was legal. Just for starters.

Then there’s the idea that marriage is about raising kids. Again, double fail. For one thing, plenty of people get married who for one reason or another cannot have children, yet we let them get married. Secondly, this may be difficult for some people to grasp, being gay neither makes people sterile nor does it mean they don’t want to have children. Gay people can and do have children all the time. It’s not exactly rocket science: a donor, a turkey baster, and some distilled water do the trick. And don’t even bother with the objection that gay people are somehow unfit parents, the science is long in, gay people raise children with as much success as anyone else.

Then there’s the idea that gay marriage is some sort of  “threat” to traditional marriage. Again, deja vu, double fail. For one thing, no one is proposing laws that forces churches to perform gay marriages. And frankly even if they did, such laws would be unconstitutional. Secondly, if your marriage is threatened by a couple down the road getting married  … clearly it’s your marriage that has a problem. And as for the idea that gay marriage forces people to subsidize something they disagree with … excellent point. Is unfair for gay people to subsidize an institution they can’t benefit from, so they should be allowed to get married too.

Basically, the bottom line as almost every court case has affirmed, is that the only objections to gay marriage are religious in nature. Since this isn’t a theocracy, such arguments are irrelevant. If your church doesn’t approve of gays or gay marriage, great, don’t allow it in your church. If the sight of a gay coupe on the street holding hands bothers you, there is a simple solution: Avert your gaze.

(The above image is claimed as Fair Use under US copyright law. It’s all over Facebook so I suspect it is public domain. I have no idea who to credit for it. I used it ere for one reason, to illustrate the absurdity of claiming that contemporary marriage is some sort of sacred biblical tradition. No, no it isn’t, not even close. And the Bronze Age is over folks, people can stay there if they want, but the rest of us are moving on.)

Written by unitedcats

May 15, 2012 at 10:17 pm

Posted in Religion

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  1. The Evil Out There are the fundamentalists who are twisting religion to their own twisted thoughts. It is, frankly, frightening that the citizens of the US are so ready to vote in laws that are for the ‘crucifiction’ of anyone different in ideology from them.

    Lee Whittaker

    May 16, 2012 at 5:40 am

    • Yeah, not officially a theocracy….What the hell, the world is a mess and people are worried about gay marriage? More herd mentality, those who openly reject the stupid religious based norms people are mind fucked into following are not part of the christian herd, and thefore do not get the same benefits or rights, the reason they say it will lead to ” polygamy and people marrying their pets” is because outside of the herd (without god), people are no better than animals….ironic ehh lol

      Pyrodin

      May 16, 2012 at 8:53 am

  2. I guess when everyone decides to have an open mind, maybe gay marriage just will not be such an issue, however that day is a long way away. I agree that there are bigger and more gruesome problems in the world than if a same sex couple wants to get married. I am one of those people that think organized religion is like control of the masses, so it is of no surprise that some religions would be against same sex marriage; there has to be control or people will start to think for themselves. I truly think that it is none of anyones business what happens between two consenting adults, besides there is no room for religion in the bedroom. It is times like these, I am so glad I have an open mind, i just wish everyone else did. Great post Doug, missed your posts for a while….

    bigred71

    May 16, 2012 at 10:23 am

  3. I think gay marriage is a scam pushed by divorce lawyers who KNOW their business will triple… That being said, I think its a great idea if only to PISS OFF THOSE RELIGIOUS RETARTS WHO THINK THEY’RE GOING TO GET A BETTER SEAT IN HEAVEN AND BETTER CHICKS ( as if there would be a reason to have sex in heaven?) IF THEY CUT SOME INFIDEL HEADS OFF… Such evil, hateful people…

    Steve

    May 17, 2012 at 8:31 pm

  4. I believe you changed my dads mind on this matter (long time coming) keep up the good work

    chocolatebunting

    May 21, 2012 at 9:13 pm

  5. The video version:

    kitchenmudge

    May 25, 2012 at 8:57 am

  6. […] me over the edge, I just had to post about this controversy. Don’t get me wrong, I think any two consenting adults should be able to get married; as has been demonstrated in court any times, the only objections to gay marriage are religious in […]

  7. Is no big deal. Mashed turds and tuna bumping are now covered legally. There will be thousands of gay divorces and remarriages. The 15 minutes of fame for the fame whores is over. They closed down a few businesses and bullied people. Now to go back to real life.

    Tone'

    August 19, 2016 at 9:36 am


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